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Quixotic tilts

A recent anonymous message to Eyewear reads:

"Todd, enough already with the Quixotic tilts and generalisations aimed at the perceived poetry establishment in the UK. How do you know how well known Blaser is or not here? Are we really expected to know all poets from around the world, even those of waist-deep in this business. How up are you on Filipino poetry, or NZ poetry, for example? How many North American poets have heard of Morgan? Had you before you came here?As for 'a measure of the insularity of Britain's main gate-keepers of poetry', that's camp hyperbole - take it out of eye-scratching code and say what you mean. Do you think he should have been invited here to do readings, that he warrants a Faber edition - let us know rather than bark. Who exactly are these 'gate keepers'? Why exactly are they insular?"

Notice the aggrieved tone. I marvel at how selectively people who read blogs read them - never bothering to trace the history of a blog, or its nuances. Instead, here I am, being typified, again, as a mere grumpy complainer, banging on about how dreadfully mean the British are. As if. Much British poetry is in happy rude health, as I often mention (see how many British poets I feature each Friday). Carcanet, Salt, and other smaller presses share important work with an international perspective. Ironically, when I question more conservative values, I get it, and when I don't, Sean Bonney shows up like a bull in a china shop.

Anyway, I wanted to reply to Anonymous in a new post. Firstly, it's a measure of the insularity of some poets and poetry readers in the UK, that they don't even recognise how narrow their tastes are, or how limited their ability to cope with the very wide spectrum of new poetries and poetics currently developing around the world. In short, the very fact this nonplussed messenger (cowardly in being anonymous) needs to ask how or who is insular in the British poetic communities (whether mainstream or beyond) is telling. I refer this anonymous person to the history of British poetry criticism of the 20th century - and certain key moments - from Donald Davie describing British taste as insular (especially in ignoring Basil Bunting for so long) to Don Paterson's more recent polemical Introduction to a new British anthology, that took potshots at "postmodern" poetry. This person, seeking insularity, might read John Burnside's recent article in Poetry Review, bemoaning the fact his otherwise talented poetry friends don't like, and actively mock, leading US poets, like Jorie Graham.

This isn't a story I or Richard Caddel (see his Intro to Other) made up. The history of modern and postmodern British poetry is one of establishment and oppositional poetics, and poetries. It seems that the various groups almost feed off of the reckless disregard they express for the others. It seems to boil down to the idea that language is a transparent medium to express experience and the self in the lyric and narrative modes, or, rather, that language constructs the self, and the world ("writes us"). It's a tussle between artifice and authenticity. And it's a tension between American and other foreign influences, especially after the humiliations of Suez. Most post-1955 mainstream UK poetry has resisted "going abroad" unless it could be home for tea, for a reason - either fear, or resentment, of American influence. This influence, from Dorn, Ginsberg, and more recently Language poetry, has been roundly resisted. The UK poets who learn from Pound, or Olson, or Zukofsky, in "these isles" are often treated as if they were mental patients by those who think poetic tradition is all about local voice, and "British themes".

I'm not, by the way, a member of any British school or camp - they won't have me. I'm interested in hybrid forms, between the High Modern lyric mode, and disrupted and abstract lyric utterances, that make my work as unsettling (or boring) to Neil Astley as to Rod Mengham. However, as in America, a younger generation is emerging who wants to move beyond the entrenched past. But anyone who thinks I am being "Quixotic" in pointing out the reception history of North American poetry (Wallace Stevens was long resisted by Faber under Eliot, for instance) in Britain hasn't done their homework.

As for the gate-keepers - they're the editors of the big London presses, mostly - particularly Paterson and Robertson - whose critical taste, I believe, is of less interest than their own poetry, which does have the virtue of being well-made. They and a few others have a rather limited sense of what poetic language can, and should do; their emphasis on music, and everyday speech, stems directly from Adam Smith's Belles Lettres lectures; this isn't personal - this is critical. I am responding directly to the critical and poetic statements they themselves have made, both in their writing, and the editorial selections they make. It isn't that these lists are bad - not so - the poets on them are often very "good" - but they're the tip of an iceberg.

John Ashbery is a good example. Ask your poetry friends what they think of his work. You'll soon see the litmus test at work. Then ask what they think of Lee Harwood. Or Susan Howe. By the way, I knew who Edwin Morgan was since I was ten. I discovered his work early, in anthologies, and loved it. I also know many poets from around the world. That's what I do - I've been editing magazines, and anthologies, since 1988, when I was 21 - seeking out new poets, wherever they may live.

The default insular British position lamented later in life by Donald Davie (not shared by all, but typified by Hobsbaum) is that there is an "English" tradition entirely different from the "American" language. This is the anti-international, anti-modern perspective. I take a different view. I welcome poetry, poetries, and poets, from any and all destinations.

I say this to the anonymous grouch: read your Leavis, your Wain, your Hamilton, your Alvarez, your Sheppard, your Lopez, your O'Brien - and trace the development of how some poetry was, and wasn't, encouraged, in these isles.

Comments

Rob said…
I'm sure this will be an interesting discussion!

But I'd like to correct an inaccuracy in your post. You say Peter Porter didn't shortlist Edwin Morgan for the TS Eliot Prize 2007. But Morgan was shortlisted.

He didn't win, which disappointed many people (me included), but he was certainly on the list.
Jon Stone said…
"I'm not, by the way, a member of any British school or camp - they won't have me. I'm interested in hybrid forms ..."

Is there an issue of perspective here? People tend not to put themselves willingly into 'camps'. The idea that there are these camps is one that presents itself to the outsider who, in order to try to make some sense of a complicated and accusation-laden discourse between clusters of other people, sorts them into broad categories for ease of distinction. So when you talk about these camps, you are simplifying the situation, or perhaps, at best, offering a 'reading' of it.

Ergo, to a second outsider, your own position on poetry - described as it is by yourself in fairly trenchant, assured terms - seems as much of a camp (whether a one-man camp or not) as anyone else's.

Do you not think the more that you define yourself as being against or tangential to some (perceived) limited mode of thinking, the further your own position exists only in relation to that, the less anyone who isn't already deeply constrained by those schools of thought (ie. anyone relatively fresh to the scene, or who has happily avoided the politics of poetics) can get a grasp of exactly what you stand for?

Or to put it another way: it seems to me a mucky business, these inner politics, bloated with pedantry. Why not wash your hands of it?
EYEWEAR said…
Rob, you're right, of course, about Morgan being shortlisted - as I knew (see Eyewear posts on Morgan and the Eliots prize from earlier in the year) - so I appreciate the correction, which I've since made to the post. Todd
EYEWEAR said…
Jon, I'd like to "wash my hands of" poetic divides, but that may be too simplistic an ideal - the fact is, there are real poetic, and aesthetic, critical positions out there, shaping the history of contemporary British poetry. Everytime an editor at Picador or Cape, say, selects X over Y, and every time a big prize selects W but not P, critical evaluation is made. The question then becomes, what are the principles guiding such evaluative editorial decisions? My own research reveals it isn't all pals helping pals (some of that though), but real, distinct, and viably-held alternate beliefs about what poetry can and should be (poetics) are struggling to determine future period styles, and fashions - i.e., the canons for future study and remembrance. For instance, Roddy Lumsden's doing a big British anthology for Bloodaxe. That'll be a key intervention in 21st century British poetry, and will feed the debate. Just as recent anthologies from Wesleyan and Salt, or Tuma's Oxford anthology, helped to throw light onto the alternative traditions in these isles. It's easy to say there aren't "real" camps... but there are various ways of writing poetry, and thinking about poetry. Todd
Anonymous said…
Todd, I don't doubt that there is this struggle, that editors' beliefs about what poetry is and should do inform their judgement, and that those of similar beliefs will tend to band together - but the use of the term 'camps' nevertheless makes for a simplification of these relationships, and still sets you up - since you often describe your position in terms of your opposition to them - as seeming to be simply another of these 'camps', rather than outside of them.

It is galling to imagine that small power bases threaten to control the future by imposing arbitrary rules and rewriting the present as it goes along (when we read a critic declare a poet as 'one of the front rank' it's not so much an act of recognition as an attempted kingmaking, right?) - but rest assured that, as one of your favourite poets might say, there'll be a crack that let's the light in.

In the mean time, I just think that you are maybe too immersed in the battle sometimes to present a clear alternative to someone who isn't as immersed. To say you welcome poetry, poetries and poets from any and all destinations is something anyone can (and should) appreciate. But then things get more complicated. People have always looked to their nationality as an identity and you can always expect the English to look for an "English" tradition and try to maintain it. That in itself isn't anti-international; it's anti-homogeneity. What is of more concern is where, in the name of upholding tradition, people impose their own small-minded reading of the past as a way of trying to shape the present and future. Conservatives do this when they talk about a tradition of 'the family' (meaning the white, heterosexual mother-father-children family unit) in order to oppose changes in legislation that would give equal rights to homosexual couples. There are myriad ways in which poetry critics and academics can pull similar stunts with poetry, though it seems unlikely they will present a united front.

In seeming very dismissive of the mere fact of the English postulating on an English tradition that needs to be maintained, you end up quite far away from your 'welcoming' position and more entrenched in an ongoing debate that is very difficult to follow precisely and probably bores a lot of people to tears. I don't say pretend they don't exist; I say wash your hands of them and state your beliefs on their own terms, not by reference to theirs. Then people who find the debate similarly stuffy will find your stance a real breath of fresh air.
Anonymous said…
Why does the English tradition need to be maintained? Has it broken down? Does it need a plumber?

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